Its only hope lay in overwhelming the German by force of numbers. Fw 190 Würger versus Messerschmitt Bf 109: Airplane: Fw 190 Würger: Messerschmitt Bf 109: Country: Germany: Germany: Type of aircraft: Fighter: MR Fighter Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. The lower the altitude the less the odds favoured the Me109F. The Fw190 A-5 exceptional, that BMW 801 engine gives it brilliant performance, it can nearly quasi-energy fighter with its power to weight ratio. The Bf-109 had better performance in capable hands. ( Log Out /  There are caveats however – the afore-mentioned Eric Brown said he would prefer the Hellcat in a dogfight, however during the second world war pilots in every nation (except maybe Japan) were desperately trying to avoid dogfighting wherever possible and use dive and zoom climb tactics. The result was that quite often, even experienced pilots ended up collapsing the undercarriage. Curious to know more we asked HushKit contributor Edward Ward to consider the matter. It is possibly the best tiered energy fighter in the game. One Hellcat was lost but the other three each claimed the destruction of one German fighter each. Corsairs fist flew into combat in August 1942, at that point the Luftwaffe was still probably the most powerful, best trained, most experienced and arguably best equipped Air Force in the world. Plus two more 20mm cannons could be carried under the wings on the outer hard points. All Time Today Last Week Last Month. It brings all the firepower to the party, two average MG FF/M in the wings and two excellent MG151 located in the wing roots. There is an Osprey ‘Aircraft of the Aces’ volume on Royal Navy aces of WWII that would I suspect give an excellent account of this period but alas I don’t own it… All this occurred before the US had even entered the war. The F4U was a rather different prospect, with a significantly better performance than the Hellcat it is likely that any service it might have given against the Luftwaffe would have been impressive. An old LW pilot on those two birds. Cookies help us deliver our Services. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. All of which is a long-winded way of saying it’s pretty much anyone’s guess what would have actually happened. Even in the fighter-bomber role the German faced minimal danger, and he could always jettison his bombs in an emergency to defend himself. Martlet II Versus Messerschmitt Bf 109F. The A-5 with 4 x 20mm cannons has a great amount of firepower. The Focke-Wulf Fw 190 Wuerger (Shrike) was a single-seat, single-engine monoplane fighter used by the Luftwaffe in WWII. RB Air. In short, what would actually have transpired is anyone’s guess. The Bf109 can BnZ, energy fight and turn fight (some planes), it is a jack of all trades and its ability to change from one flying style to another, is what I love most about it. The DB605 engine in the Bf109 coupled with its small and light airframe means there is very few planes that can match it in the vertical. Fw-190 vs Bf-109 fw-190-wurger. Or am I … However, despite its apparent performance shortfall, In March 1945, Wildcats shot down four Messerschmitt Bf 109Gs over Norway. Fw 190 decent acceleration, good max speed, decent climb, very good armament with a lot of ammunition. Focke Wulf 190 A8 flown by Klaus Plasa chasing a Supermarine Spitfire Mk.18 flown by Rob Davies. It is much more forgiving to pilots who are still learning to aim because four cannons blasting are going to usually hit something. It was introduced in Update 1.39. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, You cheated on her? Page of 6. Cancel Reply. The 190 was tough to out-turn. I think I got roped in watching this youtube video of how to energy fight. Its practice, practice,practice but it can be very frustrating. Ultimately most RN Martlets and Wildcats saw service on escort carriers, far from German fighters. Verdict: The Wildcat had little chance of surviving single combat with the Fw 190. Although not all Bf 109s have this Leading-edge slat like the Bf 109 E series and below for example. u/GAR_66. The Spitfire, Hurricane, and Fw-190, with their “vertical” landing gear and heavier structures, fared much better. Curious to know more we asked HushKit contributor Edward Ward to consider the matter. It was called the Me 109 by Allied aircrew and some German aces, even though this was not the official German designation. Verdict: As a dogfighter the Wildcat was superior to the Me 109F, but the initiative always lay with the German because of superior performance. ABILITY TO UPGRADE Bf 109 K-4 vs Fw 190 D-9. At low altitudes the Me109F had the edge over the Wildcat, but not by much. Its personally choice, though, if you like having all of the guns well take all of the guns. I prefer the 190s because I came over from flying American planes where turning is a death sentence. Its tougher than the Bf109 as well, as the radial engine and airframe can take more hits and remain combat effective. ( Log Out /  The Wildcat also had a heavier punch to deliver. Search. The Bf-109K-4 actually had a superior climb rate and speed to the P-38L along with generally superior maneuverability. Filter. I use the 190 as a p47 with more dakka. So I've started playing more planes than tanks on ps4 and I've decided to jump from my 190 to the 109s. A decent force of, we can call them 'Fw-190C's, was well within scope of the German war industry for the late 1943 (when the DB 603A is more or less debugged). It may have depended a great deal on when they were committed. Martlet IV Versus Focke-Wulf 19A-4 and A-4/U8: The only superiority that could be claimed by the Wildcat was its ability to outturn the German fighter, but turning doesn’t win battles. They have this thing called Leading-edge slat that looks like a frontal flaps which gives you an upper edge turning effectiveness at high speeds which the Fw 190s doesn't have. The way the aircraft are flown are fundamentally different aircraft. I know two people who have flown both, and they generally agree: The FW-190 was a better airplane for its time (when training time was at a premium); some of the Bf-109 models had better ultimate performance -- but the system (plane plus pilot) is what matters, so a healthy pilot in an FW-190 is perhaps more-effective than a banged-up pilot in the more-difficult 109. Archived. I've found the 109 to be quite a bewitching aircraft. Bf-109 vs P-38 p-38-lightning. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Fw-190 vs P-47 bf-109. You probably play arcade.... :^). These were the FAA’s last victories with Wildcats. I'm more fond of the Fw 190-A5/U2 over the Bf 109-G2.They're excellent planes, it matters more your playstyle. US Hellcats did see service over Europe when they operated off USS Tulagi during Operation Dragoon (the invasion of Southern France) in August 1944. Collapse. Inside the cockpit, he saw many familiar controls, similar to those in the BF 109, plus many new electric devices, notably the Kommandogerät, a primitive computer that automatically set propeller pitch, air/fuel mix, and RPM. I never much cared for the P-47 either (although it was OP before this patch if that's your style). Must see for every LW fan. A total of over 20,000 were produced, including some 6,000 fighter-bomber variants. You can dogfight in it but you really need to know how to abuse its roll rate, throttle control and flaps. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One. Any fighter thrown at them at that time would have suffered. I can confidently dogfight literally anything I see including spits. In one of my emails, I asked about how the P-40F and L (which he also flew) compared to both the Me-109 and Fw-190, which also flew in North Africa but to a lesser degree (more often as a fighter-bomber). The Bf 109 is able to dive at a steeper angle than the Fw 190. Sincerely, Jon Guttman The inline engine is a little more fragile than the radial as its radiator can get ruptured which will kill the engine, also any damage to the wings really hinders its agility. The ability to perform well with mediocre and/or inexperienced crew was a designing factor, while the 109 was pretty hard to … The Luftwaffe, although a shadow of its former self by 1945 was still a dangerous foe and did not suffer the same technological disparity (in general) as did the late war Japanese fighters compared to their principal American adversaries. A year or so earlier, four British Hellcats were bounced by a mixture of Fw 190s and Bf 109Gs off the Norwegian coast. Whether it would have done as well as it did against the Japanese is unlikely however. CAPTCHA Code * Recent Posts. It is worth noting that although more famous as a test pilot, Eric Brown had flown the Martlet in combat from escort carriers against Fw 200 Condors. This is what Eric Brown had to say about the Martlet/Wildcat and its chances against the Luftwaffe. Even in a turning circle it could not evade the German fighter for the first 120 degrees, and that was more than enough time for the powerful armament of the Fw 190 to take effect. I love my 190 A5s more than anything else in the game so far, and I own basically every anton in game, so I am most definitely on the side of talismaning the 190 A5, have fun with the King of dakka ;-), I come from the Americans as well and find myself moving toward that side as well. During Dragoon, USN Hellcats shot down eight German aircraft but all were bombers or transports. Oddly, despite never actually engaging in air-to-air combat over Europe, a Corsair was captured by the Luftwaffe and extensively tested by them. Hardly much to go on but the Hellcat came out on top in that action at least. A reader of our site asked us how US Pacific fighters would fare against the Luftwaffe’s finest – the Messerschmitt Bf 109 and Focke-Wulf Fw 190. About the best I can manage is that they operated in “ground attack and escort missions” so one would have thought they would have met the Luftwaffe however I can only find records for one FIAT G.50 and four Ju 88s shot down. With regard to the Hellcat, only the Royal Navy actually flew it in combat against Luftwaffe fighters. It is worth noting however that the Focke Wulf in this case was an early model and not indicative of the models that the Corsair and Hellcat would have actually met in combat had they been committed to the European theatre. Your email address will not be published. The way the aircraft are flown are fundamentally different aircraft. The appearance of the new aircraft over France in 1941 was a rude surprise to the Allied air forces. Anything in production prior to that retained the “Bf” designation, while anything entering service afterward was “Me.” Among the planes to which that transition applied were: Bf-108 Taifun (retained throughout the production run) Bf-109B through D, but Me-109E through K. Bf-110A and B, but Me-110C through G . It was regarded as one of the best fighter planes of World War II. From the end of 1941, the Bf 109 was steadily supplanted by the Focke-Wulf Fw 190. A reader of our site asked us how US Pacific fighters would fare against the Luftwaffe’s finest – the Messerschmitt Bf 109 and Focke-Wulf Fw 190. Had the Luftwaffe of early 1945 been their foe though it would have been a different story as most of the veterans were either dead or wounded, there was precious little fuel for operations and the training programme had collapsed. Change ), Phantom pregnancies: F-4 variants that never were, How good is China’s J-10C fighter? One of the best fighters of the time, it was widely used during the Second World War. Opening the series is P-51 Mustang vs Fw-190, Europe 1943-1945, in which Eighth Air Force expert Martin Bow – man parallels the … Close. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. The D-9 did 426, 440 on boost. Design features of the FW-190 included, more armour protection, greater weapons carrying capacity and a much wider undercarriage than that of the Bf109 making it much more stable on takeoff and landing something that ended up killing many novice Bf109 pilots. The Fw 190 A-1 is a Rank II German fighter with a battle rating of 3.7 (AB) and 3.3 (RB/SB). Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Posts; Latest Activity; Photos . Interested to hear your guys thoughts on which is better in RB to help ease the grind. I come from the Americans, but I've mainly flown P-38s and P-51s (energy fighters), and absolutely adore the BF109 G2. The bf 109 is a very good plane for what it was meant to do. The Bf109 has no really weakness to exploit and I find energy fighting to be the most rewarding why of flying, certainly higher risk than the BnZ but stalling out planes in a turn or a hammer head and dispatching them as they tumble, sublime. A Yak or LaLa at low altitude might be better but get the Bf109 to 6 km, where the DB605 engine puts down its peak performance there is nothing that can touch you. We did find, however, that the latest Fw 190D could get away from us by rolling on its back and going vertically downwards. Fw-190 A1 vs Bf-109 E3. We ask Justin Bronk from the RUSI think-tank. In every other department the Fw 190 was in command. The Focke-Wulf 190 was the work of a team of German designers headed by the famous Kurt Tank. I have enough GE to talisman one of them and any help is appreciated! Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. If I were to speculate on what would have happened had the two later Navy aircraft been deployed in numbers in Europe I suspect a similar situation as that which developed with the P-47 and P-51 would have developed, the Hellcat is slower than the Corsair (and very much slower than either a Thunderbolt or a Mustang) but is a very forgiving aircraft and also insanely rugged (a proportionately much greater number of F6Fs survived being hit by flak for example than did F4Us) and thus it would seem likely that the Hellcat would be employed more as a fighter bomber rather than a straight air-to-air fighter. So at a glance it seems to me like the 190 is a somewhat better fighter, the starting 190 vs the same 3.7 109 equivalent appears to be strictly better in every aspect (especially weapons with 2x the amount of guns and cannons the 109 has), and aside from aesthetic appeal and the tech tree (getting 262s later on), I'm wondering if there's any real real to use the 109 over the 190 P-38 vs Zero Prev Next . Press J to jump to the feed. Sadly (in a way) the Corsair never met a German fighter in combat but both the Grummans did and the results were positive. The Focke-Wulf FW-190 was widely believed to be the best fighter aircraft of World War II. X. Interestingly enough I'm the opposite as the other guy. Horrido! The alternative can to be stick gun pods on not something I like to do as I feel it just turns the Bf109 into a poor man version of the Fw190. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Spanish Civil War to today. Weapons the Fw-190 had 2 7.7mm in the nose and four 20mm Cannons in the wings and some had a 20mm or even a 30mm in the propeller hub also. However by the time the Wildcat VI was on the scene (1944) his assessment was rather less rosy: “Wildcat VI Versus Messerschmitt 109G-6: The agile little Wildcat could outmanoeuvre the latest version of the Me 109, but the performance differential had widened and the German could run rings around the Wildcat.