This is one reason I do not recommend having horned goats. However, some goats are bullies. 5 Does and a wither. In reality, they are actual… I want to know why is it that billy goats headbutt people in the rear end the minute you bend over? Prior to giving birth there wasn’t any aggression. We have had a bottle baby for a few months and just got another buckling. Is this normal? They have all been together now for about 4 months and the girls, moreso 1 than the other, have singled out one of the boys and seem to always push him away from the herd. It’s definitely worse when we are around vs them just hanging out. I have all of them together. The behavior lasted about 3 – 4 days, things were normal for a couple days but now started over. He is still sad after 1 month there. I have a new mom that is aggressive to another pregnant goat. No one is hurt, all 3 survived the night locked in the shed , yaaay . Thank you. My concern is that the females are half the size of the males. However, some goats can just be jerks to each other. They are socialized and let my grandchildren hold and pet the babies. A lot of goats wind up getting dehydrated if they are too weak to walk to the water bucket. It’s pretty clear to me the 5 year old must have rammed her. Help!! I wouldn’t say anything is impossible, but in every case when someone had a problem like this with an adult goat, they had been playing with the goat inappropriately as a kid because they thought it was cute. Kids don’t need more than a handful of grain, which you can feed them personally. What can I do? This video is just for demonstration and entertainment purposes. A big goat with horns can do a lot of damage to smaller goats. Older goats in your flock need extra attention, affection and space. I have a wether and a doe, they came together as brother and sister. I was also wondering about how much food I can give it. It’s weird that the new boys and the ones being bossy — unless they have some sort of advantage, such as being bigger or having horns. Your email address will not be published. The males could do serious damage and even kill a young kid with their horns because they are so much bigger right now. She tongue flaps, blubbers, tries to mount our weather and is acting just like a male in rut. The babies have grown very well and have horns just like their mom and dad. Whats the problem? That sounds very scary. She rams into her as soon as she sees the kid. He could also get a doeling pregnant when she is way too small, and she would need a c-section. The drarf seems to be the one picked on by the others. They are all from different mothers but the two pure breds bully the mix and headbutt her constantly. Recently we put the two with doe’s to cover, but as I dont want the males always with the females i wanted to put the two bucks back together, but they butting heads badly. I have 2 does that will be turning 2 this October. No goat should ever have unlimited grain. The problem is that kid doesn’t smell her kid — and Vicks does not make the kid smell like her kid either. Also, you need to keep your buck separate so that he doesn’t impregnate the does again too soon — or heaven forbid, impregnate doe kids when they are still too small. Do you have any experience with a doe acting bucky? The kids don’t know that they are only supposed to nurse from their own mom, and if they try to nurse from another mom, she will butt them, bite them, etc. At her age, they don’t nurse for more than a few seconds at a time and the mothers don’t feel like they need to “baby” them like they do when they’re newborns. I just introduced a new goat to the herd and one goat(who is so gentle with humans and my young children) is bullying so much. Most people separate between two and three months of age. Can Maybe update you for learning purposes. You can cancel anytime. I put her in a kidding pen for a week. In the second paragraph I meant to say my bigger goats will head but my baby goat (all female) but after they’ve had wanted her a few times she stands up for herself and headbutts back. Anyways I don’t need kids that bad to have this happen , maybe because he has horns ? The other doe is not pregnant. I want to help her but I found her twice this evening laying in tall grass , unresponsive. Now the mama and 2 year old goat ram and go after the other goat. thanks. Also the males have great shelter but no heat source. This sort of dominance display is common among bison, which pose over younger rivals they have killed to impress the rest of the herd, but is virtually unheard of in mountain goats. If that happens, they will bleed, but they’re usually fine. You can’t make him stop. Can it be permanent? Suggestions? Is this normal? I have two female goats that are different breeds around the same age one is alot bigger than the other. N. I am a new goat momma. When the buck is kept separate, you can just put him with a doe whenever she is in heat so that you know when she is due. When feeding grain in a pan, it is best to use a fence-line feeder rather than a pan in the middle of the pasture because goats will butt heads over the pan and often wind up running through the pan, knocking it over, and spilling the feed. There is nothing you can do to make her stop acting like a goat. We are afraid she is going to hurt him, will she hurt him? When raised alone, they think you are their herd, so they treat you like a goat or sheep. They’ve all been back together for about a month now. They were bottle fed by someone and we purchased them together around 8 months of age. I just love your blog! Before he got sick they would head butt and challenge each other but this is much worse. Any reason why? What can I do? They said it was highly unlikely and even if he did, the sperm wouldn’t be viable due to body temp heat killing them off, but they did offer to pay for an ultrasound if the behavior gets worse. But the male with horns also shows aggression towards us, my girls who are 6 and 3 are terrified of him because he head butts them all the time. But you need to get the kid out there sooner rather than later. They can survive for a long time. Is there anyway to stop it besides separating? If a doe gets pregnant when she is too small, you could wind up with a c-section. My herd has suddenly singled out one doe and they won’t allow her to take shelter inside the building. A doe would be coming into heat every 3 weeks, and some can actually get violent with other goats during heat, or they may scream their head off for hours. Thank you. If you can get another goat friend for her, that would be ideal so that she will have someone who speaks her language. Mountain goat attacks are rare, and unprovoked fatal gores are virtually unheard of. We adopted 5 pygmy goats and one dwarf. Having a very friendly goat is actually one way to make other goats friendly. But it is also important that you NOT pet her on top of her head or push on top of her head or anything like that, which would encourage her to butt you. Many people are choosing to raise goats as part of a sustainable lifestyle. We got 2 does at 8 months old back in March. There are so many problems that could be caused by too much grain — enterotoxemia, goat polio, bloat, diarrhea, to name a few. After a few hours, one of the mix’s ‘caps’ got knocked off and it’s bleeding alot. ok, we built a door, locked the three in for the night. Hopefully that will solve the problem. Because my black one chased him around. They all seem to be ganging up on her. Will he be ok. Thank you for your comments I have now separated the Buck from the Does . Would they stop fighting? I took in a 2 week old goat thats mother died. We had two weathers for a while now, about 1 year old. I have 4 ND wethers that are 6 months old, all brothers, as well as 2 doeling bottle babies that are 5 weeks old. I understand pecking order I also raise chickens. How do I attack neutral people or animals? What can I do? Thank you for your quick response ! You may need to get a second hay feeder, if they are fighting over food, or something like that. One time I had a very mellow doe with triplets the same age, so I put a set of orphaned triplets in a stall with her and her kids. I have 3 pygmy goats. If the wether doesn’t have horns, the odds are not good that the horned goat will stop. If they are wethers (no testicles), then they can be together. But I am not sure if I should get a doe this time or if I should just stick with another wethered male. That’s why I started using kidding pens. It is also important to be sure that you have plenty of space for all the goats to fit in front of hay feeders and feed pans. The reason he only picks on the previously dominant one is because he has a dominant personality. also will the goats know when to go inside their home when it is too cold or is there certain times i should be keeping the door shut in their home so they can’t go in and out all the time? Have had the nuby’s in the 1/3 acre field for 2 weeks. I’m worried that separating the pair will stress them out but once the babies are born I pretty much have to right? I have a bottle baby that I’m trying to let play with siblings. She just within the last couple weeks has become very aggressive. I let him back in with his brother 2 days ago after he got better. If you’re new to raising goats, understanding goat behavior will help you keep your herd healthy and happy. They seem to enjoy each other and have been playing a lot. I obviously removed the 5 year old and put her in another pen. stomping at her and making weird noises. Our goats have 3-sided shelters where they can always get out of the wind, rain, and snow. So, if your guy has horns, don’t get one without, or vice versa. Help!, We just purchased 2 bucks (9wks old) and getting 2 doe’s (13 wks old) we are planning on breeding them. One of the attacks happened on East Road in Hampstead, but the family was able to intervene before it was too late.Evan Chopas said he and his family heard their goats … Responsibility to not keep bucks in the general herd population.. too many safety issues. It doesn’t usually last for more than 15 to 30 minutes at most. Will this get better when the second gives birth? Is there a way to get them used to each other again?? One with horns one without. The wether is with my mini horse. But the girls need to be able to smell their kids so not for the girls. It’s really not a good idea to keep a buck with does 365 days a year. All rights reserved. Try to get out of the pen as quickly as possible. The ram has also tried to ram me and my kids ( not as bad as the goat). It’s unlikely that the bigger goat will hurt the baby. And sometimes the goats that are the most outgoing towards humans are the roughest with other goats. So I let them spend time together daily? She is almost acting like she is concussed or has brain damage. (I never say never, because very little is impossible.). We have no way to separate them outside! I’m feeding it 15-20% if it’s body weight over 5 feedings a day and it’s almost always crying for more food an hour after I fed it. One of the mixes keep ramming and headbutting the baby. The one used to be the dominant male is now an outcast, by the new male, and He will not let him inside the shed to sleep. You could let them share a fenceline for a couple of days, or you could just put them together and see how they do. It’s not unusual. When goats attack…each other! I have never heard of an aggressive ram changing. I had separated them close to kidding as they were doing a lot of head butting. We got them when they were 2 months old. If they keep fighting, that’s when one really gets hurt. Any ideas? Goats were also the first species humans domesticated, about 10,000 years ago, giving them a head start. If you see one of the does in heat, you can just put her with one of the bucks for an hour or two for breeding, then separate them again. The ram is aggressive and fighting the goat. These are the only two we have, will they ever get along ? Thanks. Our pygmy seems to focus on the smallest Nigerian and will slam him against the fence/wall when he gets the chance (he head buts the pther one too but that one stands up for himself more). How long do you do this for? Trauma can cause goats to go into labor, and I know I had a doe go into labor at day 135 because she was being beaten up all the time. The fact that one has horns creates an uneven playing field, so that usually makes it harder. Does rarely hurt each other. By joining Slate Plus you support our work and get exclusive content. I separated her when she kidded and for a while after. Plenty of space. Looking forward to your newsletter. It sounds like you have a standard sized goat with horns with a couple of smaller goats, such as Nigerian or pygmy, that do not have horns. If you think the one is still not healthy, you can separate them again for a few more days, but eventually you will have to put them back together, and they will go through this to establish who is in charge. There really isn’t much you can do, especially since you’re not there all the time. If a child is traumatized by a goat before age five, he/she is five times more likely to become some form of social deviant. I think if you are making generalizations about fighting you need to distinguish goat types. If I am understanding correctly, that is a recipe for disaster. should i pipe the horns for a while? Most mountain goats roam the vast open spaces of Alaska and Canada, where they tend to have very little contact with humans. There is usually less head butting when you do that for a few days, but it doesn’t eliminate it entirely. I have a 4 month old doe and I’ve had her since she was about 3 weeks old. I was thinking in terms of able to open the door, swing it in perhaps above the hay……say when snow is blowing in…. How often should it be placed? She also still looks pregnant because she eats constantly and chases the others away from food even though we have multiple hay sources and pans for the grain feed. Can I leave a 3 month old buck with two wethered goats that are 10 months old? Should I resperare them or just let them work it out? They all have horns. < > Showing 1-2 of 2 comments . Just acquired 2 nubian wethers 10 weeks old. You can scratch her behind her ears or under her chin. also do the nigerian goats know when to go inside their house when they are cold from the wind? We just added two females that are 2 months old. Slate is published by The Slate Group, a Graham Holdings Company. While there have been reports of roaming urban goats, most attacks by loose goats take place in less populated areas. If it’s cold and raining, and they won’t let him in, you might need to come up with a temporary alternative. Part 1: 21 Things You Should Know About Dairy Goats Before You Start a Goat Farm. The animals normally become aggressive only when they feel trapped, so in a confrontation with one of them, your best tactic is to flee. It’s too bad the seller didn’t ask if you had any horned goats. We have two does purchased and brought home at the same time with our dwarf donkey. She should be with other kids her age. I just caught her butting one of them! They chase the other goat away from food treats weeds grass etc. But then I know almost no one with horned bucks. You need to get him a buddy FAST before he learns bad habits that he will teach to his new friend. I am a new goat mom! If this is a buck, they need to be separated immediately. One of my males however won’t leave one of my females alone. Pay attention to the weight on the previously dominant one. They really need a companion. He had a significant injury in December and lost his “rank” he’s healed 100% now so I don’t know if he is really trying to show who’s boss. They are apart at the moment. The only “solution” I’ve ever heard of is a hysterectomy, which is difficult and expensive in goats, which is why you almost never heard of it. Tonight she wouldn’t go in even though it started raining (she’s inside with me now). They have been together since birth and they are 5 years old now. It’s anyone’s guess about whether or not they will hurt each other. Each goat type will have different tendencies towards dominance and aggression. They just have to work it out on their own. It sounds like you’re concerned that the goat will not be as friendly with humans if the doe continues to be mean to him. Can they change? I have heard of rams fighting until one died, but I have not heard of goats doing that. Hello. Although attacks against humans are few and far between, mountain goats are among the most aggressive ungulates toward their own species. If they normally get along fine, it should be okay for him to be with her. They usually do. Both are only 7 months old. I have two full-grown goats and they are all very familiar with each other because we take walks in the evenings. If the two adults have been separated, however, they might butt heads a little when you put them back together. They are Nigerians.Then we rescued a five yr large goat and her wether who is four months old. She would be standing for him to mount her. 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