'But a learned modern writerF9Dr. David said on that day — When the assault was made; Whosoever getteth up into the gutter — That is, whosoever scaleth the fort, or getteth up to the top of it, where the gutter was. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/jtc/2-samuel-5.html. (1-3) The elders of Israel recognize David as king over Israel. whence it became a proverb, or a common saying, used by David and others upon this occasion. See Rev. Or, as some understand it, cuts off their pipes of water, or their cisterns into which the water fell. Compare note on Nehemiah 2:13, &c. he shall be chief and captain. And after the long and frequent struggles the saints have with the powers of darkness, like Israel with the Philistines, the Son of David shall tread them all under foot, and make the saints more than conquerors. Protestants insert, "He shall be head and captain. Others understand it of their idols or images. With this chapter we have the beginning of a major section of 2 Samuel, namely, 2 Sam. God picked David to be the new king of Israel whenever he was still a little kid. Copyright StatementThe New John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible Modernised and adapted for the computer by Larry Pierce of Online Bible. Chapter 9. So Joab the son of Zeruiah went first up and was chief.” It thus appears that David promised the command of his army to the man who should successfully lead the forlorn hope; Joab did this, and won the place in the armies of all Israel which he had hitherto filled in that of Judah. "Commentary on 2 Samuel 5:8". What an Amalekite is Dying to Tell David (2 Samuel 1:1-27) 3. Or, The blind and the lame shall not come into my house, to wit, into the king’s palace. (h) Phaleg. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bnb/2-samuel-5.html. The whole incident recalled a kindred adventure in Scottish history; when during the wars of the Douglas, Dumbarton Rock--550 feet in height, crowned with its fortress and castle, had its precipices of ballast sealed by a few daring men, with the aid of ladders and grappling irons and misty midnight. 1871-8. (n) Dr. Kennicott, ut supra. 1871-8. Building God’s House (2 Samuel 7:1-29) 8. ; 2 Samuel 5:25 Septuagint (see also 1 Chron. And David said on that day,.... On which he took the strong hold of Zion: whosoever getteth up to the gutter; where it is generally supposed the blind and lame were, whether images or real men: but what is meant by "Tzinnur", we render "gutter", is not easy to say; we follow some of the Jewish writers, who take it to be a canal, or water spout, used to carry off the water from roofs of houses into cisterns, as the word is rendered in Psalm 42:7; which is the only place besides this in which it is used in Scripture; but R. Isaiah takes it to be the bar or bolt of the gate, and the sense to be, whoever got up to the gate, and got in at that, unbolting it, or breaking through it; the Targum interprets it of the tower of the city, or strong fortress, and so Abarbinel; but Jarchi says it was a ditch, agreeably to which BochartF8Phaleg. Wherefore they said, The blind and the lame shall not come into the house. Kennicott, ut supra. See Antiq. The expression seems however to be proverbial, to signify any very difficult enterprize, which proves successful, and contrary to expectation. If we understand by בצנור bezinnor, a canal, an aqueduct, water-pipe, or channel, we may then render the words, 'Whoever smites the Jebusites, let him also strike into the channel or brook, the blind and the lame.' 1. p. 42. Say, Saul was king of the Israelites for many years before he made a mistake and God decided that Israel needed a new King. (17-25)1-5 David was anointed king a third time. Whosoever getteth up to the gutter — This is thought by some to mean a subterranean passage; by others a spout through which water was poured upon the fire which the besiegers often applied to the woodwork at the gateways, and by the projections of which a skilful climber might make his ascent good; a third class render the words, “whosoever dasheth them against the precipice” (1 Chronicles 11:6). ; Fausset, A. R.; Brown, David. Whosoever getteth up to the gutter, i.e. The English version calls it, the gutter; the Vulgate, fistulas, pipes; Vatablus, canales; Junius and Tremellius, emissarium, a common sewer; Poole, tubus aquæ, a pipe for water; and Bochart, alveus, a bed or channel of a river. BibliographyWhedon, Daniel. (Hugo of Vienna) --- Thus Babylon was taken by Cyrus, who passed through the channel of the Euphrates, the waters of which he had let out; though the inhabitants had derided his attempt to take the city by siege, as the men of Jebus do here. When David was a little past the top of the mountain, there was Ziba the servant of Mephibosheth, who met him with a couple of saddled donkeys, and on them two hundred loaves of bread, one hundred clusters of raisins, one hundred summer fruits, and a skin of wine. Our translators have attempted to emend the passage by comparison with its parallel in 1 Chronicles 11:6. (Haydock) --- The Jebusites were thus derided (Sanctius) in their turn. In 1 Chronicles 11:6, however, the same statement is made more fully and is important: “David said, Whosoever smiteth the Jebusites first shall be chief and captain. Go to, David said on that day, "Whoever would strike the Jebusites, let him reach the lame and the blind, who are hated by David's soul, through the water tunnel." This became a proverbial expression: no intercourse is to be had with such people as the Jebusites, here again called “the blind and the lame.”. "John Wesley's Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible". ; or rather because the blind and the lame men said this of David, he shall not come into the house, the fort, or citadel, therefore David hated them; which is the sense of the above learned writerF14Dr. Here he tells us how one is born of God: whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ. Used by Permission. The Masoretic pointing is of insufficient authority to lead us to adopt the keri שׂנואי ; the kethib should be pointed and read שׂנאו— the kal preterit. An ash tree growing in a crevice near the top served as an equivalent for what, in the water-course of Jebus, helped materially to crown the feat with success. And the lame and the blind, that are hated of David’s soul —, who hate David’s soul. those of them who are set to defend that place; who, as they pretend, should be only the lame and the blind. Dissert., vol. (Kennicott) --- "The king promised to give the command of the army to the man who would pass through the cavities (Greek: pharaggon) below, and take the citadel." He shall be chief and captain — These words are not in the Hebrew here, but are fifty supplied from 1 Chronicles 11:6, where they are expressed. But when David attacked the fort, he gave orders, that, 'whoever should smite the Jebusites, וינע veiiggng, let him smite also בצנור bezinnor, εν παραξι φιδι with the sword, as the LXX render it, both the lame and the blind.' Joab to David: Get a grip on yourself! A Place of One’s Own (2 Samuel 5:1-25) 6. (11-16) He defeats the Philistines. That the future tense in the Hebrew is used for the imperative mood, is too well known to need any proof. Copyright StatementThese files are public domain.Text Courtesy of BibleSupport.com. Introduction to 2 Samuel; 2. l. 66. speaks of several such, through which the Jews made their escape in the last siege of the city: and smiteth the Jebusites, and the lame and the blind; or even the lame and the blind men the Jebusites had placed to mock David; and therefore it follows: that are hated of David's soul: because he was despised and jeered at by them, and through them: if these could be understood of their idols and images, the phrase would be easily accounted for, nothing being more abominable to David than idolatry: he shall be chief and captain; these words are not in the original text here, but are supplied from 1 Chronicles 11:6; that is, he shall be chief commander of the army, as Joab became, who was the first that went up and smote them: wherefore they said, the blind and the lame shall not come into the house; that is, either the Jebusites said this, that their images, called in derision by David the blind and the lame, if these did not keep David out, they should never be intrusted with the safety of their fort any moreF13Gregory, ut supra. 1. p. 35. (k) Ut supra. Probably revealed to him (or to David) by Araunah, who (though a Jebusite) was not slain, but is found, later on, owning property quite near (2 Samuel 24:16). Dr. Delaney is of opinion, that the 115th Psalm was written by David as a triumphal song of thanksgiving for this victory. 1 Samuel 14:16-23. Next » Chapter 6. 2 Samuel 11 David’s Kindness to Mephibosheth 9 And David said , “ Is there still anyone left of the house of Saul , that I may i show him kindness for Jonathan’s sake ? But it is not necessary that this should be a proverb; for the words may be thus rendered, as it is in the margin of our Bible, Because they had said, even the blind and the lame, He (i. e. David) shall not come into the house; or, Because they (i. e. the Jebusites) had said, The blind and the lame shall hinder him; (which words are easily supplied out of 2 Samuel 5:6, where having spoken of this more largely, it was sufficient here to mention the most emphatical words, as is usual in such cases;) he shall not come into the house, or hither, as they say, 2 Samuel 5:6. i. e. into the fort; for the word house is used very largely and generally in the Hebrew language, for any place, as Jude 16:21. 14., and Acts iii. 2 Samuel 5:8 Or are hated by David; 2 Samuel 5:9 Or the Millo; 2 Samuel 5:20 Baal Perazim means the lord who breaks out. The clause “that are hated of David’s soul,” shows that in this siege no quarter was to be given; the Jebusites were under the old ban resting upon all the Canaanites, and were to be destroyed. This bitter scoff had not so much encouraged as enraged David and his men to assault the fort, which they took by scaling, Joab venturing almost as hard for it, as that brave Englishman did, who, at the storming of an earthwork in the low countries, caught hold of a pike in the hand of his enemy, and was thereby drawn up to the taking of the place. They had long been troublesome to Israel. 1801-1803. To wit, by Samuel (1 Sam. 2 Samuel 5:8. "Commentary on 2 Samuel 5:8". Of blind and lame persons, shall be admitted to come into it again; which David might resolve, and ordain, to keep up the memory of this great exploit, and of the insolent carriage of the Jebusites, and their unhappy success. Ver. 2 Samuel 5:8 And David said on that day, Whosoever getteth up to the gutter, and smiteth the Jebusites, and the lame and the blind, that are hated of David's soul, he shall be chief and captain . The blind and the lame are either literally such, placed there in derision by the Jebusites who thought the stronghold impregnable, or they are the Jebusite garrison, so called in derision by David. The blind and lame Jebusites were set to keep that fort, and to keep others from coming into it; but now they themselves are shut out of it, and none of them was to be admitted to come into it again; which David might resolve to ordain, to keep up the memory of this great exploit, and of the insolent carriage of the Jebusites, and their unhappy success. The only thing recorded in this chapter is the kindness David showed to Jonathan's seed for his sake. That this zenur, in the text, was such an under-ground passage, might be strongly presumed from the text itself; but it is proved to have been so by Josephus. The ancient versions differ in their interpretations, but the most probable sense is watercourses, such as were connected with the precipices around Mount Zion. Which David might ordain, to keep up the memory of this great exploit, and of the insolent carriage of the Jebusites. Thomas Coke Commentary on the Holy Bible. Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: John has often mentioned being born of God (as in 1 John 2:29, 3:9, and 4:7). Ships from and sold by sweethomeliquid2. ; Fausset, A. R.; Brown, David. Most interpreters agree in making the word signify something hollow, and in applying it to water.” It may mean, he thinks, “a subterraneous passage, or great hollow, through which men could pass and repass for water. (Dissert. (Dissert. 1. "Commentary on 2 Samuel 5:8". (Worthington) --- Some think that the blind and the lame were excluded from the temple, or from David's palace. 6 The king and his men marched to Jerusalem to attack the Jebusites, who lived there. BibliographyExell, Joseph S. "Commentary on "2 Samuel 5:8". Why they said, The blind and the lame shall not come into the house. Read online Bible study, search parallel bibles, cross reference verses, compare translations & post comments in bible commentaries at qBible.com. That this zinnor, in the text, was such an under-ground passage, might be strongly presumed from the text itself; but it is proved to have been so by Josephus. and it seems, after David, this ought to be inserted, "shall be the head and captain. "The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible". 13:6); 2 Samuel 6:2 Hebrew; Septuagint and Vulgate do not have the Name. (l) Hist. 2 Samuel 4: 4 And Jonathan, Saul's son, had a son that was lame of his feet. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/whe/2-samuel-5.html. 1999. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/geb/2-samuel-5.html. Shmuel II - II Samuel - Chapter 5 « Previous Chapter 4. That the preposition ב beth, prefixed in the Hebrew to zinnor, sometimes signifies through, is evident from Noldius; and that it signifies so in this place, is certain from the nature of the context, and the testimony of Josephus. Commentary on 2 Samuel 5:11-16 (Read 2 Samuel 5:11-16) David's house was not the worse, nor the less fit to be dedicated to God, for being built by the sons of the stranger. If the Jebusites be designated, they were already excluded from the temple, like other infidels of Chanaan. That are hated of David’s soul: this belongs to the Jebusite, and the lame and the blind; and it is explained in 2 Samuel 5:6. whosoever scaleth the fort, or getteth up to the top of it, where the gutter was. (II Samuel 19:1-8) 1 And it was told Joab, Behold, the king weepeth and mourneth for Absalom. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/rbc/2-samuel-5.html. And it may be observed, that and this word in the Arabic dialect signifies the handle of a shield, or a shield itself; and accordingly the Arabic and Syriac render the word in this very place by a shield; and this gives a good sense: 'Let him also strike with a shield both the blind and the lame.' Then all the tribes of Israel came to David at Hebron and spoke, saying, “Indeed we are your bone and your flesh. 1857. The Jebusites said to David, “You will not get in here; even the blind and the lame can ward you off.” Wherefore they said, The blind and the lame shall not come into the house, i.e. (I Samuel 7:5-17) 5 And Samuel said, Gather all Israel to Mizpeh, and I will pray for you unto the LORD. He gives more heed to rituals than to the God behind them. And David said - Whosoever getteth And David said - Whosoever smiteth the up to the gutter, ... John Trapp Complete Commentary. And David said on that day, (having heard the taunt of the Jebusites,) Whoever shall smite the Jebusites, and shall reach to the canals of the city, and at the same time shall smite those lame and blind, (placed there by way of reproach,) hateful to David, because of that reproach; he shall be chief: (as it is supplied, 1 Chronicles 11:6.) We are your bone and your flesh. 'That is why they say, 'The 'blind and lame' will not enter the palace.'" But, 2d, The original words may, and certainly should be rendered, as they are by the Seventy, who hate David’s soul. The English version inserts the clause, “he shall be chief and captain,” which is not in the original, and is here obscure. Finding the new version too difficult to understand? Waiting on the Lord (2 Samuel 2:1-5:5) 5. This has received the amplest confirmation from two other well-known Palestine explorers by having themselves accomplished the feat. Shantung … The word צנור, here rendered gutter, is rendered water-spout in Psalms 42:7 . And the lame and the blind, or even, or especially (for the Hebrew particle vau signifies both ways) the lame and the blind; i.e. New York. 3.) , the king promised the command of the whole army to him who should δια των υποκειμενων φαραγγων, "through the subterraneous cavities", go up to the citadel, and take it: to which I would add that the word is used in the Chaldee paraphrase of Ecclesiastes 1:7, of the several subterraneous passages, through which the rivers flow out of and reflow into the ocean: remarkable is the note of Theodoret. To the gutter — That is, whosoever scaleth the fort, or getteth up to the top of it, where the gutter was. 35.). l. 7. c. 3. sect. (Kennicott). David's proposal to the army is begun, and a circumstance or two mentioned; but the reward proposed, and the person rewarded, are totally omitted. And the lame and the blind, that are hated of David’s soul — This, some think, plainly shows, that by the lame and the blind must be meant the idols of the Jebusites; because David certainly abhorred idolatry, but could never detest men for mere unblameable infirmities. 16:11-13). (Antiqu. 2 Samuel 5:8, No Lame and Blind in the Temple. For, speaking of this very transaction, he says, ‘The citadel being as yet in the possession of the enemy, the king promised that he would make any one general of all his forces who should ascend into the citadel, δια υποκειμενων φαραγγων, through the subterraneous cavities.’ Here then we have subterraneous cavities most remarkably answering to zenur, and putting this interpretation upon a very solid footing.” Kenn. ", To report dead links, typos, or html errors or suggestions about making these resources more useful use our convenient, John Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible, and smiteth the Jebusites, and the lame and the blind, wherefore they said, the blind and the lame shall not come into the house, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible, Matthew Poole's English Annotations on the Holy Bible. These lame and blind are said to be hated of David's soul. This fact helps to explain the sense of obligation and restraint which David afterwards felt towards Joab. The whole clause will then read, “Whosoever smites the Jebusites, let him hurl into the watercourses (i.e., down the precipice) the lame and the blind.” David thus applies to all the Jebusites the expression they had just used of those who would suffice to resist his attack. "Commentary on 2 Samuel 5:8". "George Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary". The words, he shall be chief and captain, are not in the Hebrew. Wherefore they said — That is, it became a proverb, or common saying, used by David and others: The blind and the lame shall not come into the house — Or, into this house; that is, into the fort of Zion. (m) Gregory, ut supra. Houbigant, however, does not see any such necessity. (Haydock) --- He made a fair offer to all Israel, as they probably expected. 1.) According to Furst, it means a hollow passage, a water-conduit. But it is not necessary to understand this as a proverb; for the words may be rendered, as they are in the margin of our Bibles, Because they had said, Even the blind and the lame, he (that is, David) shall not come into the house; or, because they (the Jebusites) had said, The blind and the lame shall hinder him. 35.) Thus far Dr. Kennicott; upon which Dr. Chandler has the following remarks: "I am perfectly of his mind, that the blind and the lame were really such. Hebrew, "that are hated by David's soul." Old Testament Hebrew-English Holy Name King James Version with Strong's numbers. (Antiqu. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/jfb/2-samuel-5.html. "Whedon's Commentary on the Bible". Wherefore they said ... - i. e. it became a proverb (as in 1 Samuel 19:24). Open your Bible to 2 Samuel 5:1-5. the fort of Zion; and to keep others from coming into it; but now they are shut out of it, and none of them, to wit, either. BibliographyTorrey, R. A. John Trapp Complete Commentary. The English version calls it a gutter; the Vulgate, pipes; Vatablus, channels; Junius and Tremellius, a common sewer; Poole, a pipe for water; and Bochart, a bed or channel of a river. The elders of Israel come to Hebron, “King David made a covenant with them at Hebron before the LORD, and they anointed David king over Israel” (2 Samuel 5:3). 1905. Copyright StatementThese files are public domain and are a derivative of an electronic edition that is available on the Christian Classics Ethereal Library Website. Commentary, 2 Samuel 7:1-14a (Pentecost +8), Robert Hoch, Preaching This Week, WorkingPreacher.org, 2012. But David took the fortress of Zion, which otherwise is called the city of David. "Commentary on 2 Samuel 5:8". The blind and the lame shall not some into the house. 2 Samuel 5:8. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/wen/2-samuel-5.html. the blind and the lame shall not come into my house; Because they had said, Even the blind and the lame, he. 1870. And Joab, the son of Sarvia, went up first, and was made the general." Chapter 5. Wherefore they said … - i. e. it became a proverb (as in 1 Samuel 19:24). (1-5) He takes the strong-hold of Zion. Or, Because they had said, even the blind and the lame, He shall not come into the house, that is, into the hold. Bullinger's Companion bible Notes". All Rightes Reserved, Larry Pierce, Winterbourne, Ontario.A printed copy of this work can be ordered from: The Baptist Standard Bearer, 1 Iron Oaks Dr, Paris, AR, 72855. The Biblical Illustrator. This item: 2 Samuel (Reformed Expository Commentary) by Richard D Phillips Hardcover $17.00 Only 4 left in stock - order soon. David Brings the Ark to Jerusalem (2 Samuel 6) 138: 9. BibliographyBeza, Theodore. (Calmet) --- Josephus ([Antiquities?] 1. The kind enquiry he made after the remains of the house of Saul, and his discovery of Mephibosheth . This word occurs elsewhere only in Psalms 42:7, where it is translated waterspouts. Saul gives the appearance of “having a form of godliness but denying its power” (2 Tim. 1865-1868. Adopting the last signification, we refer it to the deep hollow beneath the citadel and translate thus: Every one smiting a Jebusite, let him thrust (him) into the gulf, (beneath,) both the lame and the blind, (who) hated the soul of David. 7.) 2 Samuel 5:6-9 New International Version (NIV) David Conquers Jerusalem. 2. Dr. Kennicott observes that “the Hebrew, צנור, zenur, gutter, occurs but once more in the Bible, and does not seem commonly understood in this place. "Commentary on 2 Samuel 5:8". 7.) whosoever getteth up to the gutter; where it is generally supposed the blind and lame were, whether images or real men: but what is meant by "Tzinnur", we render "gutter", is not easy to say; we follow some of the Jewish writers, who take it to be a canal, or water spout, used to carry off the water from roofs of houses into cisterns, as the word is rendered in Psalm 42:7; which is the only place besides this in which it is used in Scripture; but R. Isaiah takes it to be the bar or bolt of the gate, and the sense to be, whoever got up to the gate, and got in at that, unbolting it, or breaking through it; the Targum interprets it of the tower of the city, or strong fortress, and so Abarbinel; but Jarchi says it was a ditch, agreeably to which Bochart (h) translates the words, and indeed more agreeably to the order of them;"whosoever smites the Jebusites, let him cast into the ditch (next the wall) both the blind and the lame, extremely hated by David. "Commentary on 2 Samuel 5:8". https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bul/2-samuel-5.html. David said on that day — When the assault was made; Whosoever getteth up into the gutter — That is, whosoever scaleth the fort, or getteth up to the top of it, where the gutter was. The proverb seems merely to have arisen from the blind and the lame being the hated of David's soul, and hence, to have been used proverbially of any that were hated, or unwelcome, or disagreeable. 2 Samuel 5:8 And David said on that day, Whosoever getteth up to the gutter, and smiteth the Jebusites, and the lame and the blind, [that are] hated of David’s soul, [he shall be chief and captain]. "Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible - Unabridged". Wherefore they said — Therefore, that is, from this circumstance the following proverb arose. Wherefore they said, The blind and the lame shall not come into the house. 14:16); Hebrew Geba; 2 Samuel 6:2 That is, Kiriath Jearim (see 1 Chron. 2 Samuel 3: 1 Now there was long war between the house of Saul and the house of David: but David waxed stronger and stronger, and the house of Saul waxed weaker and weaker. (Josephus) --- This reward is expressly mentioned in 1 Paralipomenon xi. Ewald translates the passage metrically, thus: To this order David also added the offer recorded in 1 Chronicles 11:6 : Whosoever smiteth the Jebusites first shall be chief and captain; and other things he doubtless said on that day which have not been recorded. Dr. Kennicott's conjecture, who renders the word by subterraneous passage, is certainly very ingenious, but I want authority for it." 1.) xxiv.16. 2.) (Notes and Observations, &c. ch. 2 Samuel 24:2 "For the king said to Joab the captain of the host, which [was] with him, Go now through all the tribes of Israel, from Dan even to Beer-sheba, and number ye the people, that I may know the number of the people." But they could not properly be said to be smitten, i. e. killed; as that word is used here, and elsewhere. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/tsk/2-samuel-5.html. (Notes and Observations, &c. ch. Copyright StatementThese files are public domain. 3:5). He translates the verse thus: But on the same day David gave this command, Whoever is about to kill a Jebusite, let him rush with a dagger upon the lame and the blind, who hate the soul of David: therefore came this proverb, the blind and the lame shall not enter the house. "The 1599 Geneva Study Bible". ” 2 Now there was a servant of the house of Saul whose name was j Ziba , and they called him to David . BibliographyHaydock, George Leo. This became a proverbial expression: no intercourse is to be had with such people as the Jebusites, here again called “the blind and the lame.”. Pfeiffer, in his Dubia Vexata, gives us the following interpretation of the text, 2 Samuel 5:6. ''But a learned modern writer (i) gives a more ingenious and probable interpretation of these words thus;"whosoever (first) smiteth the Jebusites, and through the subterraneous passages reaches the lame and the blind, &c.''and which seems to be favoured by Josephus, as he observes; who says (k), the king promised the command of the whole army to him who should , "through the subterraneous cavities", go up to the citadel, and take it: to which I would add that the word is used in the Chaldee paraphrase of Ecclesiastes 1:7, of the several subterraneous passages, through which the rivers flow out of and reflow into the ocean: remarkable is the note of Theodoret. 2 Samuel 5:7. 2 And the victory that day was turned into mourning unto all the people: for the people heard say that day how the king was grieved for his son. Similarly the Syriac and Arabic. But we find that they had free access to the temple; (Matthew xxi. "Commentary on 2 Samuel 5:8". David subdued the Philistines. Wherefore they said, the blind....into the house." The Davidic Covenant (2 Samuel 7) 150: 10. Or otherwise, The blind and the lame Jebusites were set to keep the house, i.e. 1. p. 35. gives a more ingenious and probable interpretation of these words thus;"whosoever (first) smiteth the Jebusites, and through the subterraneous passages reaches the lame and the blind, &c.'and which seems to be favoured by Josephus, as he observes; who saysF11Ut supra. . His advances were gradual, that his faith might be tried, and that he might gain experience. BibliographyTrapp, John. Discovered by Sir Charles Warren. (Haydock) --- Idols shall never be adored in the true Church. i. e. “Whosoever will smite the Jebusites, let him reach both the lame and the blind, who are the hated of David‘s soul, by the gutter or water-course, and he shall be chief.” The only access to the citadel was where the water had worn a channel (some understand a subterranean channel), and where there was, in consequence, some vegetation in the rock. "Commentary on 2 Samuel 5:8". (d) The idols should no longer enter into that place. Copyright StatementThese files are a derivative of an electronic edition prepared from text scanned by Woodside Bible Fellowship.This expanded edition of the Jameison-Faussett-Brown Commentary is in the public domain and may be freely used and distributed. BibliographyPoole, Matthew, "Commentary on 2 Samuel 5:8". 6. (J. R. Macduff, D. D.). insinuates, that "David drove them from Jerusalem," though we read of Areuna residing there, chap. Commentary on 2 Samuel 8:1-8. 1874-1909. Show content in: Both English Hebrew. For, speaking of this very transaction, he says, "The citadel being as yet in possession of the enemy, the king promised that he would make any one general of all his forces who should ascend into the citadel through the subterraneous cavities." 2 Samuel 5:8 Parallel Verses [⇓ See commentary ⇓] 2 Samuel 5:8, NIV: "On that day David had said, 'Anyone who conquers the Jebusites will have to use the water shaft to reach those 'lame and blind' who are David's enemies. Wherefore they said, The blind and the lame shall not come into the house. 6 And they gathered together to Mizpeh, and drew water, and poured it out before the LORD, and fasted on that day, and said there, We have sinned against the LORD. i. "E.W. Commentary on 1 Samuel 16:1-13 The story of David’s anointing in 1 Samuel 16 follows a traditional biblical storyline in which God shows unexpected favor for a younger sibling, singling out an unlikely candidate. Today’s 2 Samuel 5 text follows the assassinations of Abner (2 Samuel 3:20-30), and Ishbaal (2 Samuel 4:5-8). p. 176. David's Rise, Fall, and Punishment (2 Samuel 8-12) 162: 11. Whosoever, &c.— Dr. Kennicott observes, that the Hebrew word צנור zinnor, gutter, occurs but once more in the Bible, and does not seem commonly understood in this place. He renders the word zenur, a dagger, with the LXX, and herein agrees with Dr. Chandler; and he thinks that David calls the Jebusites the lame and the blind in contempt. Kennicott's Dissert. Whosoever getteth up to the gutter, and smiteth the Jebusites [ kaal (Hebrew #3605) makeeh (Hebrew #5221) Y. BibliographyJamieson, Robert, D.D. 2 Samuel 6 Chapter 5 How far Abner’s deserting the house of Saul, his murder, and the murder of Ish-bosheth, might contribute to the perfecting of the revolution, and the establishing of David as king over all Israel, does not appear; but, it should seem, that happy change followed presently thereupon, which in this chapter we have an account of. 8. Wherefore they said.—Rather, they say. l. 4. c. 36. col. 304. translates the words, and indeed more agreeably to the order of them;"whosoever smites the Jebusites, let him cast into the ditch (next the wall) both the blind and the lame, extremely hated by David. Getteth up to the gutter — This the Septuagint renders, Let him put to the sword. (Read 2 Samuel 8:1-8.) Or, the blind and the lame shall not come into my house; namely, into the king’s palace; which, though a general rule and decree of David, yet might be dispensed with in some special cases, as in that of Mephibosheth. 1. p. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/hcc/2-samuel-5.html. For many years he led Israel’s armies and proved that he was worthy to be king. 1. They worked their way up through this same covered passage. (Tirinus) --- Whether Joab took this strong place by a subterraneous passage, (Haydock) or scaled the walls, and so got to the top, whence the water falls, as from a gutter; (Calmet) it is certain that he displayed the utmost valour, and thus obtained the confirmation of his authority, which David would perhaps have willingly taken from him, (Salien) if another had offered himself, and performed this hazardous enterprize. The two clauses also are unnecessarily transposed in our version, and the word getteth, by a very slight change in the Masoretic vowels, becomes cast or hurl. Now because they had put this scorn upon him, David was set upon it to have them out. That are hated — The Jebusites, and the lame, and the blind, Who had probably themselves insulted him, and blasphemed God. Therefore they say (proverbially) the blind and the lame must not enter this house, the proverb being taken from those blind and lame who were besieged and were afterwards killed, never to return to their home." Habakkuk 2:5-20 This section is part of God's answer to the prophet's second question, and it is primarily directed at the particular circumstances of Habakkuk's day regarding the Chaldeans. Free Access to Sermons on 2 Samuel 56 8, Church Sermons, Illustrations on 2 Samuel 56 8, and Preaching Slides on 2 Samuel 56 8. BibliographyJamieson, Robert, D.D. 1765. David king over all Israel. Polybius says, "Rabatamana, a city of Arabia, could not be taken, till one of the prisoners shewed the besiegers a subterraneous passage, (Greek: uponomon) through which the besieged came down for water." I shall only add upon this point, that the true sense of the obscure word צנור zinnor in this place, remarkably occurs in the commentary of Hugo de Vienna; where it is explained by "subterraneous passages through which there was a communication to the town." (i) Dr. Kennicott's Dissert. David Strengthens Himself in the Lord (1 Samuel 29-2 Samuel 1) 101: 7. BibliographyBenson, Joseph. 1599-1645. What is translated temple, may denote also, "the house" of David, or "the place" where this provocation had been given. John Trapp Complete Commentary. 2 Samuel 5:8. 3. Find 2 Samuel 56 8 Sermons and Illustrations. So General Wolfe won the great victory which has made his name famous, by leading his men up the Heights of Abraham above Quebec, his French opponents not dreaming that such a feat was practicable. “From Dan even to Beer-sheba”: A proverbial statement for … (Calmet) --- Proverb. "Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers". Wherefore they said, The blind and the lame shall not come into the house. I. So the king of France, jesting at William the Conqueror’s great belly, whereof he said he lay in at Rouen, so irritated him, as he being recovered of a sickness, entered France in the chiefest time of their fruits, making spoil of all in his way till he came even to Paris, where the king of France then was, to show him of his activity after his illness: and from thence marched to the city of Mentz, which he utterly sacked, &c. (a). Rituals are good so long as they bring us closer to God; otherwise, they are empty. 1 And all the tribes of Israel came to David to Hebron, and spoke, saying: "Here we are. "Barnes' Notes on the Whole Bible". This means believing that Jesus is his Messiah, not just the Messiah in the generic sense. 11--20. One chapter is entitled, “A Place of One's Own.” Gilkey was interned in a Japanese detention camp, along with a diverse group of people, who all had one thing in common -- they were all Westerners. They said … — That is, whence it became a proverb, or a common saying, used by David, and others, the blind and the lame Jebusites, were set to keep the house, that is, the fort of Zion; and to keep others from coming into it; but now they are shut out of it, and none of them, either of the Jebusites, or of blind and lame persons, shall be admitted to come into it again. 1859. to the gutter = by (or through) the zinnor, a rock-cut passage from the lower Gihon or En-Rogel (now the Virgin"s Fount on east of Ophel), leading up into the city and supplying water. And David said on that day, Whoever gets up to the gutter, and smites the Jebusites, and the lame and the blind that are hated of David's soul, he shall be chief and captain. 7: cap. And Samuel judged the children of Israel in … Wherefore they said.] 2 Samuel 5 – David Made King Over A United Israel A. David reigns over all Israel. Gutters. These words are supplied from 1 Chronicles 11:6, which tells that Joab got up the zinnor first. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/gsb/2-samuel-5.html. (8) Getteth up to the gutter.—The sense of this passage is obscure, partly from the difficulty of the Hebrew construction, partly from the uncertainty of the meaning of the word translated gutter. Joab (see the marginal reference) took the hint, and with all the activity that had distinguished his brother Anabel 2 Samuel 2:18, climbed up first. "a certain Hebrew says, Aquila renders it "through a pipe"; on which, he observes, David being willing to spare the walls of the city, ordered the citizens should enter into the city by an aqueduct;''according to the Jews, there, was a cave underground, which reached from the king's house in Jerusalem to Jericho, when it was taken by Nebuchadnezzar; See Gill on Jeremiah 39:4; in which story there may be a mixture of fable; yet it is not improbable that there was such a subterraneous passage; since Dio Cassius (l) speaks of several such, through which the Jews made their escape in the last siege of the city: and smiteth the Jebusites, and the lame and the blind; or even the lame and the blind men the Jebusites had placed to mock David; and therefore it follows: that are hated of David's soul: because he was despised and jeered at by them, and through them: if these could be understood of their idols and images, the phrase would be easily accounted for, nothing being more abominable to David than idolatry: he shall be chief and captain; these words are not in the original text here, but are supplied from 1 Chronicles 11:6; that is, he shall be chief commander of the army, as Joab became, who was the first that went up and smote them: wherefore they said, the blind and the lame shall not come into the house; that is, either the Jebusites said this, that their images, called in derision by David the blind and the lame, if these did not keep David out, they should never be intrusted with the safety of their fort any more (m); or rather because the blind and the lame men said this of David, he shall not come into the house, the fort, or citadel, therefore David hated them; which is the sense of the above learned writer (n). He shall be chief and captain: these words are fitly supplied out of 1 Chronicles 11:6, where they are expressed; and they must needs be understood to make the sense complete. (Haydock) ---Hatred. Hebrew Tsinnor, "through (Nodius) the subterraneous passage," (leading to the tops of the houses.) lib. l. 7. c. 3. sect. “Some far-seeing Hittite or Amorite had designed from the inside of the city that a subterraneous passage should be cut through the rock to the spring below, so that in troublous times when the daughters of Zion could no longer venture outside the gates to draw water from the fountain, the needful supply should be obtainable without the knowledge of the besiegers, and without risk to the besieged.” (Harper.) Joab stormed the stronghold of Zion, which the Jebusites thought-impregnable. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/jfu/2-samuel-5.html. They who understand, by the blind and the lame, the idols of the Jebusites, consider this clause as meaning, that from this time it became a proverb, Let not the blind and lame come into the house; that is, do not trust in idols, who have eyes and see not, &c.; and who are not able to do more for you than the lame and the blind. 1. p. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/mpc/2-samuel-5.html. Whosoever getteth up to the gutter.] Cajetan supposes that the Jebusites in the citadel, are thus distinguished from those who dwelt peaceably in the lower town, with the Israelites. We may observe also, that the word is rendered by the Chaldee, a strong hold; by Kimchi, the fortress, or strong place; and if we understand the word in this sense, the version will be, 'Whoever smites the Jebusites, let him also strike at, or in, the fortress, the lame and the blind.' Josephus says Araunah was a friend of David"s. BibliographyBullinger, Ethelbert William. But certainly, as Houbigant well observes, they should rather be rendered, conformably to the Hebrew, as well as the LXX, who hate David's soul. It has been several years since I read the excellent book by Langdon Gilkey entitled Shantung Compound. The blind and the lame shall not come into the house — The spirit and meaning of the proverb is, Those who are repulsive and hateful to us we shall not allow to enter our dwellings; a proverb characteristic of Jewish antipathy and intolerance towards persons of another nation and another religion. Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2013 in Bible Commentary | 3 comments. Two Bald Men, Fighting Over a Comb (2 Samuel 2:1--3:39) 4. And David said on that day, Whosoever getteth up to the gutter, and smiteth the Jebusites, and the lame and the blind, that are hated of David's soul, he shall be chief and captain. 8. "Commentary on 2 Samuel 5:8". For though the words may vary, still the meaning of them is the same. "Commentary on 2 Samuel 5:8". When God Rained on David’s Parade (2 Samuel 6:1-23) 7. vii. Rashi 's Commentary: Show Hide. 5--10, where we have an abbreviated and condensed record of David's successes. Wherefore they said.—Rather, they say. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/ebc/2-samuel-5.html. 2 Samuel 5:8 And David said on that day, Whosoever getteth up to the gutter, and smiteth the Jebusites, and the lame and the blind, [that are] hated of David’s soul, [he shall be chief and captain]. The Japenese did not know what to do with all the Westerners present in the country when the Japanese overran China during the Second World War, so they detained them in various encampments. And such ellipses or defects of a part of the sentence are usual in promises, and oaths, and conditional offers, such as this was. "The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge". Commentary for 2 Samuel 5 . https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/tcc/2-samuel-5.html. Let not the blind and lame come into the house; Wherefore they said, The blind and the lame shall not come into the house, The blind and the lame shall not come into my house, Because they had said, even the blind and the lame, had said, The blind and the lame shall hinder him. BibliographyEllicott, Charles John. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/tbi/2-samuel-5.html. "Commentary on 2 Samuel 5:8". And although this might be a general rule and decree of David’s, yet he might dispense with it in some special cases, as in that of Mephibosheth. BibliographyBarnes, Albert. There is strong presumption that David obtained information of this secret way through a citizen--Araunah the Jebusite. "And the king and his men went to Jerusalem; (undertook an expedition against the Jebusites, who possessed that land) but they said to David, Thou shalt not come in hither unless thou shalt first remove these lame and these blind (pointed at, as it were, with the finger, by way of reproach; as much as to say, it is impossible for David to come in hither; for, as he cannot remove the blind and the lame from their station, we may be secure for the rest). David Becomes King and Conquers Jerusalem (2 Samuel 2-5) 115: 8. But most interpreters agree in making the words signify something hollow, and in applying it to water; which might well be applied to a subterraneous passage, or great hollow, through which men could pass and repass for water. The term "Land of Israel" is a direct translation of the Hebrew phrase ארץ ישראל ‎ (Eretz Yisrael), which occasionally occurs in the Bible, and is first mentioned in the Tanakh in 1 Samuel 13:19, following the Exodus, when the Israelite tribes were already in the Land of Canaan. What are some rituals you observe in … l. 66. He shall be chief and captain —, The blind and the lame shall not come into the house —. 1685. He shall be — These words are fitly supplied out of1Chronicles11:6, where they are expressed. 6, with the person who obtained it; (St. Jerome, Trad.) Therefore they say, "The blind or the lame shall not come into the house. The proverb seems merely to have arisen from the blind and the lame being the hated of David‘s soul, and hence, to have been used proverbially of any that were hated, or unwelcome, or disagreeable. Of the same nature were the gutters here spoken of. 1905-1909. Footnotes. Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers, Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament. The words in the coinciding chapter of Chronicles, regularly fill up this omission; and we may add, that St. Jerome expressly asserts, that they are to be understood. Matthew Poole's English Annotations on the Holy Bible. BibliographyCoke, Thomas. The whole verse is obscure, and appears to be an abridged and broken transcription from a fuller document. 1909-1922. "Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible". A record of his sins, sorrows and disasters of his later years appear in the following section, 2 Sam. "Commentary on 2 Samuel 5:8". And David said on that day, “Whoever would strike the Jebusites, let him get up the water shaft to attack ‘the lame and the blind,’ who are hated by David’s soul.” 2 Samuel 16 – David Flees as Absalom Asserts His Reign A. Ziba’s deception. 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